• BarryObama2014

    Special rights to none! Protect religious and property rights of the 98% not the special rights the 2%

    • Lumpenproletariat

      Name three “special rights” the LGBT community are demanding, that are fundamentally UNLIKE the rights enjoyed by their heterosexual, cisgendered peers.

      • BarryObama2014

        1. Non-discrimination laws based on sexuality. Non of those existed before the gays started to protest. 2. Allowing people to use any bathroom they chose regardless of their sex. That is not a right given to straight people. 3. Forcing governments and insurance companies to cover the cost for very expensive cosmetic surgery to transition genders. Straight women don’t demand that insurance companies cover their boob jobs. There you go 3 special rights given to the mentally ill and deviant 2%.

        • Lumpenproletariat

          “Non-discrimination laws based on sexuality.”

          Not being discriminated against… Is not a special right. Lots of people enjoy the right not to be discriminated against.

          ” Allowing people to use any bathroom they chose regardless of their sex. That is not a right given to straight people.”

          Using the restroom is also not a special right.

          Also you’ve managed to display your ignorance of transgenderism twice in two sentences, but please, DO go on.

          (Hint: the word you’re looking for is “cisgender” not “straight.”)

          “. 3. Forcing governments and insurance companies to cover the cost for
          very expensive cosmetic surgery to transition genders.”

          You’re also literally decades behind the prevailing medical opinion that GRS is medically nessacary. Seriously, do you even know what Gender Dysphoria is? Do you know how many people have committed suicide because of it? Where do you get off weighing in on issues about which you are so profoundly ignorant?

          ” There you go 3 special rights given to the mentally ill and deviant 2%.”

          Mentally ill? Are you for real?

          “Is Homosexuality A Mental Disorder?

          No. All major professional mental health organizations have
          gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In
          1973 the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees removed
          homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, The Diagnostic and
          Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSM II). The
          action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and
          consultation with experts in the field. The experts found that
          homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental
          illness.”

          http://www.psychiatry.org/lgbt-sexual-orientation

          You are LITERALLY 40 years behind on this. There is absolutely no excuse for this level of proud ignorance when the largest collective source of human knowledge is literally at your fingertips.

          Ignorant, bigoted, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

          • BarryObama2014

            You asked for 3 special rights given to the deviant 2% and I gave them. Laws created and given specifically for this population ARE SPECIAL RIGHTS. These special rights even impose on the property religious and privacy rights of others. Homosexuals and transgenders ARE MENTALLY ILL, what do you think causes their deviant and abnormal behavior, their respiratory system? A man thinks he is a woman and has his genitals removed and he is sane? You must be mentally ill yourself if you believe they are normal. In regards to the A.P.A, they removed homosexuality out of the DSM because the radical gays attacked their members until they changed their policy. It was social pressure NOT SCIENCE that lead to the change and it is liberal pressure that keeps it out. Accept the truth, a truth that has been known by all peoples in every part of this planet for all time. Homosexuals and transgenders are mentally ill and sick people!

          • Lumpenproletariat

            “You asked for 3 special rights given to the deviant 2% and I gave them.”

            I actually made clear what “special rights” meant, since I anticipated that reading comprehension wasn’t your long suit.

            I asked you to name three “special’ rights that are fundamentally UNLIKE the rights enjoyed by their cisgendered, heterosexual peers.

            The right not to be discriminated against is one already enjoyed by several specified groups, and enshrined in U.S. law. Employers CANNOT discriminate on the bases of age, race, religion, sex, disability, natural origin, military service, genetic information, or bankruptcy. The LGBT community is asking for literally the same protection, modelled on the same laws – and you failed to prove that such protection is fundamentally different, or “special.”

            Are you keeping up? I could draw diagrams, if you think it’d help.

            “…It was social pressure NOT SCIENCE that lead to the change and it is liberal pressure that keeps it out.”

            Lol – you guys really all march to the same drum, huh?

            See, typically, when someone makes a claim like that – that there was a massive conspiracy to force the American Psychiatric Association (And presumably the American Psychology Association, and their contemporary organizations in every other country) to change their mind – and somehow manage to keep up the pressure and silence ALL dissent, for 40 plus years… They’d provide evidence.

            ‘Cuz, see, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence, and alleging a global conspiracy that has somehow managed to silence the entire mental health professional community for decades is a pretty extraordinary claim.

            So – back it up.

            But of course you can’t – you just thought throwing out that little conspiracy theory was a nice escape hatch from the fact that you views conflict (one might even say deviates) from the entire mental health community.

            Perhaps you’d like to explain why the TAT, MMPI-2, ACL, and 16PF find no major differences between heterosexual and homosexual men and women?

            EDIT: Holy shit, I just realized you’re the same jackass I gave a drumming to over this exact topic about two months ago – you regurgitated the same talking points back then, and even made it clear you couldn’t tell the difference between the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Associate – or between the year 1975 and 1979. Do you get off on being schooled?

  • Helen Bedd

    this chart is tracking movement towards equal rights, not special rights….

  • Phil Ossiferz Stone

    /ramble mode on

    When Canada legalized queer marriage only one in five got hitched. 80% of them were lesbians, and 80% of *them* were divorced within three years. The vast majority of queer couples are non-monogamous. This is not a good environment for raising kids in. Full stop.

    Cramming openly queer Scouts into tents with the straight majority is Not A Good Idea, for the same reason a coed Scout troop wouldn’t be. The bearded freak that won the Eurovision song contest should not be able to walk into Hooters and demand they hire him and shut them down if they decline. That isn’t good. Exposing kids to same-sex behavior while their brains are still developing is not good. None of this is good.

    The queer marriage meme (now armed and armored in the coercive power of the Party and The State, and preparing to barge into every aspect of our public life and our educational system) is nothing more than a fad — a meme — a way of running around like a 14-year old girl with a hysterical smile plastered on her face and saying LOOKIT MEEE I’M A GOOD PERSON TOO.

    If you intend to remake human nature by an act of political will, the historical record is littered with bloodthirsty failures. I’m against discrimination as institutionalized bigotry, but if you don’t have *some* forms of discrimination you have the social and moral equivalent of AIDS. You’re defenseless.

    You cannot crush all forms of discrimination and take away everyone else’s right of free association. And when you intrude on peoples’ child rearing and their livelihoods and their sacred spaces — when you simultaneously spit upon the idea that their concerns could even be legitimate — you are sooner or later going to provoke one hell of a reaction.

    I think you are tragically mistaken. You think I’m evil. You are apparently willing to use the smashmouth power of Big Government to disenfranchise, impoverish, disarm, disenfranchise, murder, and/or imprison me in any combination. Despite which, I am not going to compromise my faith or my ability to defend myself, nor will I allow myself to be railroaded into participating in something I regard as disgusting (no one is going into gay owned bakeries and forcing them to make wedding cakes that say GOD HATES FAGS on top), nor my knowledge of what it takes to raise and train and reassure a healthy, happy, alert child.

    The answer is no, to all of the above. It will remain so, regardless of what frightening instruments you bring to bear on me and mine and what distorted public opinion polls you can gin up.

    I don’t know what else I can honestly say to you that might give you people pause. I’m aware that I probably haven’t.

    • Lumpenproletariat

      “When Canada legalized queer marriage only one in five got hitched. 80%
      of them were lesbians, and 80% of *them* were divorced within three
      years.”

      I can’t seem to find where you get these stats. Since Canada legalized same-sex marriage in 2005, the only census data available is for 2006 and 2011.

      In 2011 there were 64,575 same-sex couples in Canada, up by 40% from 2006. Of those, about 21,000 were married, 40,000 were common-law. The number of married couples tripled between 2006 and 2011.

      Could you point to me where your numbers come from, and for what period of time?

      “The vast majority of queer couples are non-monogamous.”

      Can’t seem to find any recent or credible studies supporting this, either.

      “This is not a good environment for raising kids in. Full stop.”

      Can’t seem to find any good numbers for same-sex single-parent households, either.

      “Cramming openly queer Scouts into tents with the straight majority is
      Not A Good Idea, for the same reason a coed Scout troop wouldn’t be.”

      You seemed like you were about to make an argument, and then stopped short.

      Why would “cramming” openly gay scouts with the straight majority be a bad idea?

      “… The bearded freak that won the Eurovision song contest should not be able to walk into Hooters and demand they hire him and shut them down if they decline…”

      When did this happen?

      “Exposing kids to same-sex behavior while their brains are still developing is not good.”

      Why not?

      “None of this is good.”

      Then you should probably try to actually construct an argument as to why it isn’t.

      “…is nothing more than a fad…”

      So when do you suspect majority public support for it will reverse itself?

      “I think you are tragically mistaken in all of this and under no circumstances will I be forced to participate in it.”

      Forced to participate in…What?

      ” You apparently think I’m evil. “

      To whom are you actually addressing? You realize this is a public forum, right? If you want to lash out against the LGBT rights boogiemen who exist entirely in your head, do it somewhere no one else will read. Like a blog.

      ” You are demonstrably willing to use the smashmouth power of Big
      Government to disenfranchise, impoverish, disarm, murder, and/or
      imprison me in any combination.”

      Name three people opposed to LGBT rights who have been disarmed, murdered, or imprisoned by the US government for their stance.

      ” It will remain so, regardless of what frightening instruments you bring to bear on me and mine…”

      Your paranoia gets more severe as you ramble on. I suggest you seek professional help.

      “I don’t know what else I can honestly say to you that might give you people pause. I’m aware that I probably haven’t.”

      Here’s a tip: when you use phrases like “the bearded freak,” you make your argument less receptive to people not already inclined to agree with you.

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