Democrats Are Moving Left: Will Hillary Be Left Behind?

Jim Tankersley in The Washington Post, observes that while Obama’s State of the Union address was in substance, more liberal, “many other Democrats have moved much farther left.”

“Here’s what he didn’t say: That America needs a second wave of major Wall Street regulations to bring the financial sector to heel. That his signature health care law is just a stepping stone to the broader goal of single-payer healthcare. That the minimum wage should be $15 an hour nationally. That the rich should be paying substantially higher taxes. That Social Security should be made more generous. That his new trade deal is bad for workers. That the rules of the American economy have become so rigged in favor of the rich and the powerful that they must be radically rewritten.”

“These are core proposals of the newly energized populist wing of the Democratic Party, led in the Senate by Elizabeth Warren and in the presidential field by Bernie Sanders. Obama nodded at them, but he mostly stopped short of endorsing them.”

“Hillary Clinton, has moved similarly; the former 2008 rivals have both adopted the language and policy proposals of their onetime opponent John Edwards. Obama has run out of time to move further. The question for Clinton is how far she might keep moving.”

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  • Berkshire_Boy

    No.

  • CA_Guy

    It always seems she’s trying to catch up with Bernie. She’ll have to run faster.

    • pisher

      Technically, he’s still playing catch-up with her.

      If you mean policies, and I think you did, she’s already as far left as she can go and win.

      And if we lose, policies don’t matter spit.

      When is he going to catch up with her on gun control, btw?

      • CA_Guy

        She hasn’t moved an inch. Every once in a while she checks the political winds and decides what she has to say to get elected.

        And if we lose, policies don’t matter spit.
        I keep hearing this, yet Sanders continues to out poll HRC against most GOP contenders. Go figure, huh?
        Gun control…that attack is not going to fly. It hasn’t yet and it never will. Same with healthcare, or hadn’t you noticed?

        • NonSequitur

          First off, he’s not consistently outpolling her against any major candidate. Secondly, you have no idea how politics works if you think his numbers are hard. Republicans are more open to him because they have no idea who the hell he is. They’ve been fed fox news Clinton stories for ages.

          The one polling result you need to consider is that of the two groups of people Americans say they will never vote for, Socialist is number one. Just below Muslim.

          If you think Hillary has any further to fall, you’re also out of touch with reality. There is absolutely nothing left to throw at her. The reality is that she’s rock solid in her numbers and Bernie is not. The republicans aren’t either. Yes, Bernie could win. But Clinton WILL win, short of criminal charges.

          The most annoying thing of all about alll the Bernie Bros out there is you don’t realize how critically important this election is and how little it has to do with who’s being elected FROM the Democratic side. We risk losing the supreme court with Bernie running, and that will be the end of Liberal Democracy as we know it. Not the bush days anymore. Republicans are ready to undo every signature achievement of Obama out of spite.

        • NonSequitur

          First off, he’s not consistently outpolling her against any major candidate. Secondly, you have no idea how politics works if you think his numbers are hard. Republicans are more open to him because they have no idea who the hell he is. They’ve been fed fox news Clinton stories for ages.

          The one polling result you need to consider is that of the two groups of people Americans say they will never vote for, Socialist is number one. Just below Muslim.

          If you think Hillary has any further to fall, you’re also out of touch with reality. There is absolutely nothing left to throw at her. The reality is that she’s rock solid in her numbers and Bernie is not. The republicans aren’t either. Yes, Bernie could win. But Clinton WILL win, short of criminal charges.

          The most annoying thing of all about alll the Bernie Bros out there is you don’t realize how critically important this election is and how little it has to do with who’s being elected FROM the Democratic side. We risk losing the supreme court with Bernie running, and that will be the end of Liberal Democracy as we know it. Not the bush days anymore. Republicans are ready to undo every signature achievement of Obama out of spite.

          • CA_Guy

            I never said consistent. You did. And among the GOP candidates most likely to get the nomination at this point (Trump, Cruz, Rubio), Sanders does just as well against any of them but Rubio.

            Republicans are more open to him because they have no idea who the hell he is.
            How you know that, I have know idea. I just know what I read. Google search. Try it sometime.
            http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/

            And oh, fuck, do not tell me how important this election is you arrogant snot. It’s one of the reasons WHY I support Sanders.

          • pisher

            But will you support Hillary, if she wins?

            That’s all this argument is about. I will vote for the Democrat. Will you?

          • CA_Guy

            I’m not sure. I have to await instructions from the Central Committee. 😉

          • pisher

            The old story–the left pushes us to the right. As happened in 2000, with Nader. “Gore is just as bad as Bush.”

            Hillary was brilliant on Maddow tonight–she’s got a depth and complexity to her arguments we never see from Sanders, who is admittedly better at soundbites.

            But are we the party of soundbites? Or are we the party of ideas?

        • NonSequitur

          And “she says/does what the voters like” isn’t as much of an attack line as you think it is.

          • CA_Guy

            It’s not an attack. It’s a fact. It’s one of the reasons she continues to have favorability problems amongst independents.

            http://www.pollingreport.com/hrc.htm

          • pisher

            Might want to mention, Bernie is having favorability problems among blacks and latinos. A vital part of our base. They know Hillary, they know Bill, they trust them.

            If we lose this election, who gets it in the neck worst?

        • NonSequitur

          And “she says/does what the voters like” isn’t as much of an attack line as you think it is.

        • pisher

          Yeah? You mean like Bernie Sanders did when he was weak on gun control and supported the F-35, because to do otherwise might have lost him his senate seat?

          He’s to the left of her a little bit, and only because he’s the Senator from Vermont–why is he to the right of her on guns? Also, because he’s the Senator from Vermont.

          I will support him if he’s nominated, even though I think he’s the weaker general election candidate (and one poll doesn’t change that, certainly not Quinnipiac).

          But let’s not kid ourselves. He’s a career politician, and he’s been doing this longer than her. Just not at anywhere near the same level, with anywhere near the same depth and range of experience.

          And Hillary is right–he’s incredibly vague about how he’s going to get any of this done–he still hasn’t explained how he’s going to pay for a single-payer system, or even what that system would look like.

          We get there by building on Obamacare, but he’d dismantle it. Wreck our entire system, and build it up from scratch. With the Republicans almost certainly controling the house, possibly the senate. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

    • NonSequitur

      I’m so tired of all the liberals out there who think Bernie has any chance at all. Great to see you involved in politics but for gods sake. She has 1/4 of the needed delegates already before a single vote has been cast. There’s no way in hell any southern state besides California will vote for him over Hil. Middle America won’t touch him either. Hil already has the needed votes even if he pulls enough support to win california. This race is over.

      • pisher

        Okay, I’ve been with you this far, but c’mon. She knows better. After 2008, she’d be an idiot not to know better.

    • NonSequitur

      I’m so tired of all the liberals out there who think Bernie has any chance at all. Great to see you involved in politics but for gods sake. She has 1/4 of the needed delegates already before a single vote has been cast. There’s no way in hell any southern state besides California will vote for him over Hil. Middle America won’t touch him either. Hil already has the needed votes even if he pulls enough support to win california. This race is over.

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